In my favorite poem by Robert Frost, Nothing Gold Can Stay, he reminds us that like the seasons of nature, life is one season melting into another, and quickly fading away. This is my attempt to document each season in my life and my family.

You Asked: What Started It All?

Filed under: Chris, Family, Freedom Calling, General, Me, You Asked — Rachel at 9:58 pm on Tuesday, October 27, 2009

When I asked if anyone had any questions for me, I was not surprised to get the following question, because I assumed there are a lot of people who have wondered about the changes in my life over the last couple of years. It was such a complicated question, though, that I decided to take a completely separate post to answer Cassandra’s, a loyal reader of at least a couple of years, question. She asked…

The last few years, I have been reading your blog, and when I first started, we had a ton in common. We were both at independent fundamental Baptist churches, we had children in ACE ( I think you used to have Kyra in one-maybe I am mistaken about that) schools, we stayed home with our kiddos, both wore skirts all the time, etc. etc… Now, we still have alot in common- (our ages, our kiddos, our mommyness moments) but alot has changed for you! I’ve witnessed alot in your life the last couple of years. Starting up your schooling again, going to a different church, your husband’s change in vocation, leaving behind alot of the fundamentalist ideas…so, I am just curious. What started it all? Do you still consider yourself an independent Baptist? I am not condemning your choices in any way, I am just curious about the journey that you have started on. Was there a defining moment when you decided you wanted to do things differently, or did it slowly happen?

I guess the question to answer first would be, “What started it all?”

About three and a half years ago, we were members of an Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB), King James Version (KJV) only church. This meant that the church believed that the KJV was the only translation of the Bible that was in fact the Word of God. They accept no other translations for English speaking people. Our church was pastored by a wonderful man who happened to preach quite often in many churches around the country about the KJV only doctrine. This meant that we heard it preached on a lot. Over time, Chris began to doubt the accuracy of this KJV only doctrine because of inconsistencies in the arguments that the proponents presented, and, because it was such a big deal in our church, he decided to study it for himself. When he informed me of his intentions, I actually tried to persuade him not to. I knew what the consequences would be if he came to the conclusion that it was a false doctrine.

Shortly after he began to look into it, we made the decision to leave the church that we attended to go to a like-minded church where my parents attended. This was actually the church that I grew up in, and the church that my parents attend. It was a much smaller church, and we went there with the hopes of having more opportunity to serve in the church. We really enjoyed going to this new church. The people there were wonderful, loving people who welcomed us with open arms. It was much like “going home” for me, since I grew up there. The pastor had been my youth pastor at the previous church, and I loved and admired him and his wife more than they probably knew. We quickly got involved in working at the church…I took over the janitor position until I got pregnant with Owen and wasn’t able to do it anymore, I took over being in charge of the nursery, I occasionally taught a children’s Sunday School class as a substitute, Chris built and ran a church website, and he took over the radio broadcast ministry. It seemed like such a good fit. It felt like family to me.

All during this transition time, Chris was studying the KJV only doctrine, and was sharing all of his studies with me. We had already sat under the teaching of the most well known teacher in our area of this doctrine for years, and Chris read many books both for and against it. I was very nervous about it during that time. It didn’t take much time, before the inconsistencies in the defense of KJV-onlyism  and the seeming poor logic began to become pretty apparent to me. While Chris was passionate about finding the truth about the matter, I wanted him to just let it be, because I didn’t want to have to leave our church and lose my friends. As Chris read sections of books to me, summarized them, and simply talked out the KJV only teachings, I began to see for myself, as much as I didn’t want to, that it just wasn’t adding up. While I was reluctant to admit to it out loud, I no longer believed the KJV only teaching.

Around this time, Chris went to our new pastor, and brought his concerns to him. He told him that he had been studying the subject, and he had some concerns about this teaching. The pastor suggested that Chris quit studying the matter, and just pray about it.  While Chris did pray about it, he also continued studying the matter. We eventually became fully convinced that KJV onlyism was not supported by Scripture, and we began to use other versions of the Bible for our own personal reading…mainly the English Standard Version (ESV).

For a while, this didn’t pose any problems for us, because we hadn’t told anyone of this change. In my own life, simply switching to a more modern translation was dramatically changing my Bible reading experience. Everything seemed so new and fresh…like I was reading all of the familiar stories and teachings for the first time. I really began to grow a lot during this time, and I felt the desire to share what was going on with me on my blog. I wrote a couple of devotional type posts, and then a series of posts about the things that God was doing for me.

The trouble came when I posted Bible verses on my blog from the ESV. It set in motion a series of events that changed my life. I posted the verses, one of my IFB friends read it and called me on the verses not being from the KJV, it became public that Chris and I were no longer KJV only, and some people were understandably upset. We were one of their own, and they saw us as straying from the truth. A few people asked questions or tried to point out in loving ways that I was in error, but an anonymous commenter left a comment on my blog, fearing for my spiritual well being, that prompted Chris to write a guest post on my blog explaining why we had left our KJV only position. You can read that post here, if you like. When this post came to our pastor’s attention, he was very upset with us. He felt that Chris’ explanation on my blog constituted teaching against church doctrines. When he and Chris discussed this at church one night, Chris told him that we were looking for a new church to attend, and he encouraged us to leave sooner rather than later or be in danger of church discipline. That was the last service we attended as members of that church.

I was very hurt by all of this, and, of course, felt responsible. I would find it a blessing at times, and a huge hurt at others. I vacillated between feeling abandoned and set free. I found myself completely separated from all I had ever known. We began attending Trinity Baptist Church, where we still attend. It was healing for me to go there. The people there have become family. They have embraced us, and allowed us to minister where we feel most called. While God was still greatly working in my heart and life, I didn’t blog about it as much, for fear of stirring up trouble again. I felt very disloyal to myself. It was hard to write about what was going on with me, because I was afraid of further offending people or hurting people. That is why there have been so many extended periods of silence on my blog. That is also the reason that the changes in my life over the last couple of years have been kind of mysterious to people who I don’t spend time with in real life. I haven’t talked about them or the reasons behind them, because I was afraid that the people in my life who do still hold to beliefs and standards that I have left behind would be upset with me. I was afraid that they would feel like my choices condemn their choices.

Only in recent days have I come to the conclusion that I cannot live my life this way. I cannot be true to myself and true to my understanding of my purpose in this world by muzzling myself. I believe that Christ came to set the captives free, and I believe that there are people in this world, like me, who have been held captive by religion. My whole world had to get shaken up for me to understand my freedom in Christ. I hope to write much, much more about this in the future.

That is what started it all… the basic story of how we left the IFB churches and KJV only movement that we had been associated  with. Now, I will try to answer the more detailed questions Cassandra asked.

Do we still consider ourselves Independent Baptists? Yes, we do. We attend an Independent Baptist church. However, we are not what many people consider to be Independent Fundamental Baptists. The IFB churches we used to be associated with are characterized by KJV onlyism, women only wearing skirts or dresses, no contemporary music, and separation from those who don’t also follow these beliefs. We now go to a church that is not KJV only, women can wear whatever they want to wear with the emphasis on modesty regardless of what type of clothing it is, and there is no issue made about what type of Christian music you choose to listen to.

My decision to abandon the skirts only practice was simply because I didn’t want to live that way anymore. I found absolutely no Biblical reason that I should continue the practice. I had grown up wearing only skirts, dresses, or culottes as a kid, until I was thirteen. When I was thirteen, my parents let me choose for myself, and I, without hesitation, chose to wear pants. I went back to skirts only when we joined a different church when I was fourteen, and all the other girls only wore skirts. I had the impression that it was really important to God, and that, if I wanted to be right with God and devoted to Him, I had to give up my blue jeans. As time went on, I became less and less happy with that choice. When we left our last church, I asked Chris to allow me to wear pants again. He didn’t want me to at first, because it was the final nail in the coffin. If his wife wore pants, people would certainly consider us to be not a part of their circle anymore. It would mean for sure that Chris would not be asked to preach for anyone, and it drew a definite line in the proverbial sand. I was tired of it, though, and I didn’t want to be different for different’s sake any longer. Buying my first pair of blue jeans in many years was a happy, happy day for me. I felt more like myself than I had in a very long time.

We still have a lot in common, Cassandra. Our daughter did attend the ACE school at our last church, and continued to go to school there for the rest of the year after we no longer attended church there. The reason she quit attending was not because we wanted her to, but because the school closed because most of the church families whose children attended the school put their kids in public school. There were not enough students left to keep the school open. This left us in a spot where we had to decide what to do for our kids. There is one other Christian school in our area that we considered, but it was considerably more expensive and would not be a feasible option financially once we had three children in school at the same time. What we chose to do was to continue using ACE curriculum and homeschool our kids. We stuck with ACE because I went through ACE from pre-school through graduation, and was comfortable with and had confidence in the curriculum.

I also still stay at home with our kids. I don’t have a job outside the home, nor do I intend to get one while our kids are at home. I do go to school, but took off this semester as well as last semester due to Abby joining our family and beginning kindergarten with Elijah. I needed to take time off for that.

More importantly, we both love Jesus. We both want to honor Him and glorify Him in our lives. We both seek to be Godly examples to our children. We both want to be witnesses to His saving grace and unending love. We are sisters in Christ, and I count you as my friend. Thank you, Cassandra, for just asking the questions, and giving me the opportunity to start a conversation that I have wanted to have for a long time.

8 Comments »

Comment by Amy

October 27, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

Hey Rach, I’m looking forward to reading more about your journey. I’m sure this will be an interesting conversation. I’m really proud of you for being honest with your readers.

Comment by Travis

October 27, 2009 @ 11:13 pm

“More importantly, we both love Jesus. We both want to honor Him and glorify Him in our lives. We both seek to be Godly examples to our children. We both want to be witnesses to His saving grace and unending love.”

I hope people read that part twice. That’s what is most important in God’s heart.

Comment by Natasha

October 27, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

Rach,
I really enjoyed reading your response! A lot of the issues you brought up are things I have been pondering on myself for sometime. You may not be aware of this, but you re-introduced me to Contemporary music. (Casting Crowns- and I love it) I used to listen to that kind of Christian music all the time, but then we started going to church somewhere else and they were against it. Thank you for your honesty. It has made me think twice about “the way we were always taught” kinda doctrine. Not, that there is anything wrong with that way, it’s just I don’t think it’s the only way! Good post!!

Comment by Misty

October 28, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

rachel,
I am very proud of you for having the courage to come out and openly talk about these things, because I know that it has been hard for you to do…..love ya sis, Misty

Comment by Cassandra

October 28, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

Wow- I am always the bold one! Even in ‘real life’, I tend to ask the most difficult questions! Thanks for answering them so honestly and openly. I knew something was up way back then, just didn’t know exactly how it got started. I am still KJV only, and I only wear skirts, and my kiddos go to an ACE school- so we do have difference in our lives now, but like you said, we still have alot in common. = ) Even with my beliefs, I never want to condemn or look down on other Christians for not believing exactly like I do. I look forward to hearing more about your ‘journey’! Thanks for answering my very bold questions!

Comment by Cassandra

October 28, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

On a side note- Aren’t Ace and Christi annoying??? We make fun of their super-spiritual attitude all the time! My 6 year old does a perfect monotone voice imitating. In fact one day we were supposed to go to the zoo. Well, it rained. My oldest was moaning that it stunk that they didn’t get to go to the zoo. My six year old chimed in- in his monotone ACE voice, “Don’t worry, Tommy, we can go to the zoo some other day.” It was pretty funny. We get a kick out of making fun of them- and you should hear my hubby read the comics- hilarious!

Comment by gretchen

October 29, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

rachel,
wow! that was pretty powerful. your words stirred up strong feelings in me because i feel like i have lived exactly what you just wrote. it’s hard feeling like an outcast when your views change, for me it was hard to disapoint my mom and dad more than anyone else. kjv only and wearing skirts are just the tip of the iceburg. i really identify with your statement about being held captive by religion, that sort of sums up how i feel about ifb churches and other religions. my dad always said that our faith is not religion, so that is what i believe in.. God is so much bigger than one version of the bible or piano music. i also felt like i understood so much and learned and grew as a christian when i started reading another version of the bible.
anyway, i thought your blog was awesome and you have all my support and prayers! if ever i thought that people i used to go to church with were hippocrites, i know now that hippocrites are everywhere and in every church. and, the same goes for true genuine people. only time will tell who is what..
i hope you keep up writing truth about faith and what just being a real person is all about. not being perfect. or expecting others to be perfect (like church leaders).. we now go to a non-denomination church, love it. i completely respect and understand the church doctrines we were raised with, and fundamentally i know that nothing has changed, it is those little, non-issues that keep people messed up!

Comment by Rachel

October 29, 2009 @ 11:03 pm

Thanks, guys, for your comments. It’s always SO encouraging to get comments…especially on emotionally charged posts like this one.

Natasha and Gretchen, thanks for being open and sharing a bit of yourselves. It’s good to know I’m not alone.

Cassandra, thanks again for asking the questions. And, yes, Ace and Christi are kind of nauseating. :)

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